List of Mods (updated)

[Ratburntro44]

As much as I disagree with lancestar and his reasons, it would probably be a good idea to get a couple new mods.

[Slengar]

Lancestar, go kill yourself.

Now tell me, did that hurt? Did you really give a damn? No. Let it ride, you know what Highlander is like (No offense intended). If I was the one receiving these "death threats" then I'd laugh at the patheticness of it. No need to take it seriously. It's not like he even knows where you live...

But yeah, I agree with Rat

[techgump]

Lancestar, the rules are at my discretion to enforce, as noted in the rules themselves. Much of them situation dependent, as I stated I must interpret. I am hardly over-worked; this is not work. If you would rather me enforce them strictly and always, you and Highlander will both be banned, as well as most the VW community. We are not angles here, and this is a game of war. Most of your issues could be solved by not joining games of people who do not like you (and you don't like), not instigating ppl, and using your mute button. However, you tend not to do such things, and hence, in my opinion, invite the situation. And Highlander's threat was not ignored any more than the reports against you. However, if you insist, I will address both of you more harshly with a temp ban. But what will that solve? As it stands, you will both come back with 2nd accounts for the 3-5 day ban, so what do you really expect here for me to solve with my, or even Lopdo's, tools. The best tools are in your OWN hands; your words and actions... use them more wisely if you don't like the experience your are facing. The question is, how intellectually strong or weak are you to be able to do such?

[Joshua]

How did this all happen on a list of mods page?

[Slengar]

A certain someone (who shall remain nameless) seems to enjoy plugging his grievences everywhere. That's how.

[Lancestar2]

Lancestar, go kill yourself.

Now tell me, did that hurt? Did you really give a damn? No. Let it ride, you know what Highlander is like (No offense intended). If I was the one receiving these "death threats" then I'd laugh at the patheticness of it. No need to take it seriously. It's not like he even knows where you live...

But yeah, I agree with Rat

I find that extremely offensive and the fact that you feel so bold enough to disregard the rules in one of the few threads monitored by Lopdo the creator of the game proves my point in that Tech has failed to single handedly effectively enforce the rules and to create a culture where being offensive is NOT ACCEPTABLE! ...I'm not trying to imply it's tech's fault however I am starting to think perhaps it is because he doesn't have the resources (such as time) to invest in handling the issue properly

Finally Tech do I even need to post this in the report user thread? As I think this behavior is unacceptable as well regardless of if he intended it as a joke implying others to kill themselves by stating it is NEVER acceptable behavior you never know how that other person behind the other computer will perceive the message.

[Lancestar2]

Lancestar, the rules are at my discretion to enforce, as noted in the rules themselves. Much of them situation dependent, as I stated I must interpret. I am hardly over-worked; this is not work. If you would rather me enforce them strictly and always, you and Highlander will both be banned, as well as most the VW community. We are not angles here, and this is a game of war. Most of your issues could be solved by not joining games of people who do not like you (and you don't like), not instigating ppl, and using your mute button. However, you tend not to do such things, and hence, in my opinion, invite the situation. And Highlander's threat was not ignored any more than the reports against you. However, if you insist, I will address both of you more harshly with a temp ban. But what will that solve? As it stands, you will both come back with 2nd accounts for the 3-5 day ban, so what do you really expect here for me to solve with my, or even Lopdo's, tools. The best tools are in your OWN hands; your words and actions... use them more wisely if you don't like the experience your are facing. The question is, how intellectually strong or weak are you to be able to do such?

again you are implying that it is my fault that other players post death threats...

How about Slengar and his comment just a few comments above do you consider I was asking for it as well? Of course you write it more elegantly and not as forward but when you break it down you simply are saying "I was asking for it" Also by enforcing the rules at your discretion we must all accept your judgement but when I am here trying to question your judgement as you have stated I can try to get a 2nd opinion you continue to argue your side. Am I not entitled to a 2nd opinion or is this just a conversation that will eventually result in further bias against myself? Vortex Wars has other mods but being that they are mostly inactive I feel having new mods would help balance out your bias against players that you personally dislike or players that you disagree with. I simply wish the game to be better balanced by having more than one perspective of what is fair. You have bias towards curtain players and bias against others that is clear as all players do. I don't think your judgement in allowing members to post offensive material such as underage women in reviling outfits and encouraging a conversation about there sex apeall. As I have reported that this morning however it was never taken down and I never got a copy of the report as I has checked the box to revive a copy via email.

As a moderater you have the ability to PM members, and to post comments discouraging unacceptable behavior and unacceptable comments such as Slengar's comment in which you have glazed over. I feel in this specific case a PM discouraging the action as well as a comment discouraging the action is warrented given that other people will see that no public action was taken and will feel they can behave in such a manner. With all due respect I don't think you have the ability and skills to create a culture of a positive communication through the members. Banning them is not the 1st step! Choosing to address each and every missconduct is what it takes to start to lay the foundation of building a culture where members treat others with basic respect but can still disagree and be annoying as long as they behave ethically. It's clear you have not done these actions and that is why I feel more moderators is needed if you turly want to build the culture of respect which will in return help the game thrive! Instead a culture of lawlessness exists and discretionary action based on what can only be percieved as bias actions taken against players that are not of the mod's "friends"

[techgump]

This is my last comment on the matter...

"again you are implying that it is my fault that other players post death threats..."
I am not implying it Lancestar, I am directly stating that. Yes, you are in large part responsible here for the manner in which people treat you.

Slengar's comment was not a death threat; it was an example. Again, meaning and intent has to be interpreted. As it stands, you talk a good game about culture, but you are as bad as any number of other questionable characters imho. If you truly believe what you state, lead by example. Besides, I don't look at my role as a police man so much, but as a peace-keeper. Perhaps you would do it different, but that's you, and you are not me. My final words on this, create the environment you want by your own actions.

As for more mods, I don't care either way. Lopdo has had issues in the past with mods, and has repeatedly stated he wont be getting more however. The grass is not always greener other-side; would not be surprised if another new mod did ban you, should you not change your demeanor. Be careful for what you wish.

[yoshi777]

I may be a slight noob, but if there's one thing ive learned, is don't trust lancestar. He is a pure troll. Don't listen to him.

[Lancestar2]

I am not implying it Lancestar, I am directly stating that. Yes, you are in large part responsible here for the manner in which people treat you.

I find that outrageous your defense to a typical person who is getting bullied is "well they were responsible for the actions of the bully" Of course I am not implying that I am being bullied however I do think death threats is a bully tactic used to intimidate and to shut people up. When you have other people wondering in and out of threads and they see zero impact of comments like the above death threat and they get an impression that it's ok to post that here that's why Highlander and many other players continue to post outrageous content about killing people and suggesting of harm. Finally I do agree with your logic of a peacekeeper instead of being a police as that does make since as this is a game and we all want to have fun. However your minimal consequences to Highlanders outrageous comment when he said in open chat that he was speaking on behalf of Vortex Wars and he suggest I kill myself was beyond offensive it was damaging to the brand. I have moderated in the past a forum and have been a support person on another forum site. All forums have different rules and different regulations and code of conduct. However to your laissez faire actions against players who are using this site to damage the brand and to threaten other's lives I find shocking that Lopdo would allow your actions to go unchecked. Again that is why I have posted here I am far from perfect as we all are but to allow such behavior with such little consequent or positive re-enforcement of creating a positive culture in which players treat others with BASIC respect such as not flame and give out threats or slander ect ect. I find that shocking. I think have several moderates would be a huge improvement as players can get second opinions and less favoritism would exist. I hope Lopdo listens and makes the decision he feels is best for his game and his servers and his forums. However I will close that even while most people dislike me in this conversation I will point out that 2 people Ratburntro44 and Slengar agree with my logic of having additional moderators. I don't know if you pay Tech for his services and for his moderation however I would suggest you look into your community and consider members who have an outstanding track record of being polite and respectable and consider making them a moderator in specific sections or a super mod such as tech able to mod the entire forum.