Bit of a rant/venting regarding allies

[Reznorock]

Ive been playing vortex wars for a while now, and I have to say I am sick to death of the hypocrisy that goes on regarding allies.

I of course allied now and then with some friends and then they left and I soloed forever, not super great to get 2-3-4 people banging on your door or going after you , whether they are allied or not, but thats part of the game and ive ranted about it once in a while but it doesn't stop me from playing and having a good time.

However, people complaining about me allying with someone now, whether ive announced it or not is flat out pissing me off, and if I have to hear one more person mention the term black listed to me just because they lost a game my head is going to start spinning and im gonna spew hot split pea soup all over the place.

My point is, people need to quit being whiny hypocrites. If allying was against the rules then there wouldn't be a draw button and you most certainly wouldn't be able to draw with 3 people.

Secondly, I personally try to ally only with a handful of friends or when everyone else is doing it(although not always) and I take my beatings with a grain of salt as im adept enough to win more than I lose. although I hate to say it I have started rage surrendering now and then because of this target that seems to be on me.

And for every person out there that has accused me of playing with multiple accounts, please, just shut up about it, I never have and never will stoop to such childish tactics for a win, I generally like the challenge of the game and I enjoy the team tactics of playing with friends or with my daughter( who also has an account here). Im not doing anything wrong, no matter how mad it makes anyone. or else I would be banned.

Ive had enough, if you don't like people allying then just surrender and leave everyone else alone, because it's going to happen whether you like it or not. I don't care if you think it's fair or not and I certainly don't want to see tears when 2 people allied beat 3-4 people that are allied, or cry about something being unfair when you and another person are fighting and someone comes in and takes advantage of the fact and kills you both.

Im done being upset about all of this nonsense, if you don't like it, then don't play with me and don't come into my games just to screw me over and then leave.

If you want to be a dick to me, im not going to bother muting you, im going to make your life hell whenever I see you in a game, im done being nice and im finished trying to calm kids down that get mad the moment things don't go their way.

I'm done ranting, have a nice day.
Rez

[Ratburntro44]

There isn't really a way to easily put together a full reply to this, so I'll go part by part.

Ive been playing vortex wars for a while now, and I have to say I am sick to death of the hypocrisy that goes on regarding allies.

So am I.

I of course allied now and then with some friends and then they left and I soloed forever, not super great to get 2-3-4 people banging on your door or going after you , whether they are allied or not, but thats part of the game and ive ranted about it once in a while but it doesn't stop me from playing and having a good time.

Good for you.

However, people complaining about me allying with someone now, whether ive announced it or not is flat out pissing me off,

This ought to be good. Also, if you haven't realized it, you secret allying (and allying in general) is pissing us off.

and if I have to hear one more person mention the term black listed to me just because they lost a game my head is going to start spinning and im gonna spew hot split pea soup all over the place.

Oh no. Someone blacklisted you. Aren't those the same people you're saying you don't like playing with anyways?

My point is, people need to quit being whiny hypocrites.

Yes, you do.

If allying was against the rules then there wouldn't be a draw button and you most certainly wouldn't be able to draw with 3 people.

1. How does that make us hypocrites?
2. The point of draws is to prevent stalemates from creating annoying, drawn out games. Not to promote allies.

Secondly, I personally try to ally only with a handful of friends or when everyone else is doing it(although not always)

If everybody is allying and the creator of the game did not say anything against that, fine by me.

and I take my beatings with a grain of salt as im adept enough to win more than I lose. although I hate to say it I have started rage surrendering now and then because of this target that seems to be on me.

That can happen when you make people angry with unfair tactics.

And for every person out there that has accused me of playing with multiple accounts, please, just shut up about it, I never have and never will stoop to such childish tactics for a win,

While I am thankful that you don't play with multiple accounts, that doesn't make what you do not childish.

I generally like the challenge of the game and I enjoy the team tactics of playing with friends or with my daughter( who also has an account here). Im not doing anything wrong, no matter how mad it makes anyone. or else I would be banned.

No rules being against something does not make it right.

Ive had enough, if you don't like people allying then just surrender and leave everyone else alone,

Why should I be expected to lower my rating, waste my time, and not have fun because some other people fail to meet game etiquette?

because it's going to happen whether you like it or not.

That's always a great reason to go along with something.

I don't care if you think it's fair or not and I certainly don't want to see tears when 2 people allied beat 3-4 people that are allied,

I don't really care if that happens as long as the game creator intended it to be an allied match.

or cry about something being unfair when you and another person are fighting and someone comes in and takes advantage of the fact and kills you both.

That really doesn't have anything to do with the point at hand.

Im done being upset about all of this nonsense,

Good.

if you don't like it, then don't play with me and don't come into my games just to screw me over and then leave.

Oh, I'm certainly not going to enter your games, because I don't want to play against you. I hope you show the same courtesy, because I don't want allies in my games, and people should respect that.

If you want to be a dick to me, im not going to bother muting you, im going to make your life hell whenever I see you in a game, im done being nice and im finished trying to calm kids down that get mad the moment things don't go their way.

I'm done ranting, have a nice day.
Rez

You're going to make people's lives hell because they strike back at you when you act like an idiot to them?

Edit: Messed up my tags.
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[Reznorock]

This ought to be good. Also, if you haven't realized it, you secret allying (and allying in general) is pissing us off.

Ive seen people that have complained about my allying turn around and ally just because they started to lose or someone got a little close, or right off the bat, just because, point is, it's hypocrisy.

Also, I can "sort" of understand why some people would get upset about "secret" allying but honestly, unless you are a complete idiot, it's VERY obvious when two people are allied with each other, and I really don't understand why that would piss someone off when they immediatly shout it from the rooftops and end up with an opposing team with an even or larger number of players, oh wait, because they lost anyways. seriously?


As for the the blacklisting people, ive run into a number of people that were all nice and chatty and friendly and then started raging when they figured out I was allied with someone.

If allying was against the rules then there wouldn't be a draw button and you most certainly wouldn't be able to draw with 3 people.

1. How does that make us hypocrites?
2. The point of draws is to prevent stalemates from creating annoying, drawn out games. Not to promote allies.[/quote]

It doesn't what makes those people hypocrites (and you since I am assuming you are one of those people based off of the fact that you responded to this from that standpoint). is the fact that you complain about what I do, and those of a few of my friends, but on the flip side you do the same thing, I personally call you hypocrites because I didn't used to play with allies, but it seemed like a more viable option once I saw how often everyone else did it. product of my environment and whatnot.

It promotes allies anyways, also regardless of the draw button, it isn't against the rules regardless, and no, if that was to prevent stalemates then why can you draw with 3 people? I have never seen a 3 way draw ever.

If everybody is allying and the creator of the game did not say anything against that, fine by me.

If I go into a game and the creator says no allies, or the title says no allies (as axisnallies usually does) then I don't ally, not even if others are doing it, unless its with the game creator , hell I played a game just the other day where I still refused to ally and the game maker was gone already.

and I take my beatings with a grain of salt as im adept enough to win more than I lose. although I hate to say it I have started rage surrendering now and then because of this target that seems to be on me.

That can happen when you make people angry with unfair tactics.

As I mentioned earlier, I took to those tactics to level the playing field, I was given war, great, people went on to guerilla tactics, I simply returned the favor, however unlike some people, I have my line, I don't make second account or use a guest account, before that ever happened I thoroughly enjoyed long 6 hour games (when I had the time) that ended in a draw or winning against the odds. If people want to be up in arms, whatever, I can start going after specific targets as well, or if you see me with certain people then ally up,if not then go solo. but don't sit there and try to act like you are only doing what you do because I do it. unless you like perpetuating the cycle.

While I am thankful that you don't play with multiple accounts, that doesn't make what you do not childish.

I would say something about a pot and a kettle but as ive mentioned, it was something I was driven to, any means at my disposal that arent against the rules. despite all the whining it seems to be alright around here till you start losing when others do it. Don't expect me to play by some high set of morals and ethics if you aren't willing to do the same.

No rules being against something does not make it right.

People losing to having their tactics used against them doesn't make it wrong either. I learned how to play from other players.

Why should I be expected to lower my rating, waste my time, and not have fun because some other people fail to meet game etiquette?

Why should "I" lower MY ranking and waste my time and not have fun because "some" people don't like their tactics being used against them?

I don't really care if that happens as long as the game creator intended it to be an allied match.

generally people don'y say allies are ok, and rarely no allies, they usually base those things depending on how they are doing in the game.

Oh, I'm certainly not going to enter your games, because I don't want to play against you. I hope you show the same courtesy, because I don't want allies in my games, and people should respect that.

That would work out fine and dandy if I knew who the hell you were ingame as I don't recognize your name. however if the people that had an issue with how I played or were more specific about whatever problems they had then I might make a concious effort to not do certain things when I played against them, but that street goes both ways.

You're going to make people's lives hell because they strike back at you when you act like an idiot to them?

I changed how I played based off of how others played, if the people complaining arent the ones to use said tactics, then I apologize, but if you DO, then you really have nothing to complain about and you brought it upon yourself, but don't bitch at me for returning the favor, and yes if the mood struck me I would make someones life hell at least for 1 game if they complained about how I played when they played the same, simple as that.

It's a game, there is nothing to rise above. I will not be the better man if im not in the mood for it, I sincerely believe in treating others how you would wish to be treated, but when you get treated like crap or unfairly for months on end in a game you enjoy playing, the only thing I saw was to respond in kind.

There are however a large number of people I DO recognize on a constant basis that I don't know, and if they don't play like assholes then neither will I, as I like a good game with good conversation with good people.

Unfortunately there don't seem to be many people like that around.

[AxemBlue]

Well, this is a wonderful example of how people become deluded into thinking allying, stated or not, is ok and perfectly fair.
I think it's about time Lopdo made an strong official stance against allying and made it a hint for everyone to see, forever branding the double account players and friend teams as the rotten cheaters they are. If we keep going on without confronting this problem more and more will have to turn to the dark side....

[Reznorock]

Well, this is a wonderful example of how people become deluded into thinking allying, stated or not, is ok and perfectly fair.
I think it's about time Lopdo made an strong official stance against allying and made it a hint for everyone to see, forever branding the double account players and friend teams as the rotten cheaters they are. If we keep going on without confronting this problem more and more will have to turn to the dark side....

there are more people that do it than don't , and it wouldn't take much for someone to find a way around it I imagine, not to mention the fact that people could just not attack each other and someone would come in second place and not lose rank. im sure people would find a way around it or to abuse it worse than it already is.

I wouldn't have an issue if it could be solved that there were no allies, but there is just no way for it to not be abused as long as there are people as the other players, as it stands the only way ive been getting solid no ally action is 1 on 1 vs someone.


Also, deluded? not really a guidebook to the game and no one talks about game etiquette ever, heck I didn't even come on the forums till recently. people aren't deluded, they just simply do not know one way or another. if there was a simple option for making a game allied or non allied it would be great, because people use allies in a game that specifically says no allies anyways. its nice to think people will listen but when they get desperate, they ruin it.

[Xtermy]

A lot of things have been written here, and, while I've read them all attentively, I don't have the strength to respond to each and every one of your points. I will however state these few short points:

1) I myself haven't seen a true 3-way draw either, but that doesn't mean that it can't potentially happen. A classic 2-way draw happens when:

a. Both sides have ample land but are connected through only a few chokepoints that rarely get passed through.

b. One side gets cornered to a well fortified island, stacks all the territories up with 8s and it is virtually impossible to get through.

Now imagine situation "b" happening with 3 people on a very large scale map, with 2 people being stuck on well fortified islands on both ends of the map and the third player controlling the main and massive chunk of land in the middle.

2) Rage quitting (surrendering) frequently will substantially lower your rating over a period of a short timespan. Perhaps you don't care about this, but if you indeed have been playing this game for several months, then you must have a decent rank and probably want a decent rating to go along with it.

3) The most important point in my opinion: it's only a game! Don't get so worked up about it that you start to write stuff like: "I'll make their life hell". I get it, I sometimes get pissed off online myself, especially at hypocritical and condescending behaviour, but in the end of the day, it's anonymous people I'm interacting with - not much to get worked up about and spend my time on.

[Reznorock]

Well rankings haven't been around for terribly long. (although before reset I was higher ranking before I stopped caring so much)

But really Axem brought up a good point.

it needs to by laid out there one way or another in regards to whether allies are ok or not, it seems to me that its a generally accepted practice whether people like it or not isn't entirely the point, as in war (the basis of the game pretty much) there are allies, uneasy ones and otherwise.

So are we going to go down that route or is something going to occur to make it harder to ally (lets face it, it wont be impossible and people will be able to do so without consequence ) and you would be hard pressed to stop people from agreeing to help each other survive and then killing each other for less of blow to the rank anyways.

I could go either way , I see why some people would want there not to be allies, I also see why people do want allies, I think either add different challenges to the game but when it comes right down to it there either needs to be a way to make everyone happy (allies on or of switch sort of deal) or people need to start labeling their games and have an agreement to not attack each other till the people that allied are dead. (obviously if someone chooses not to ally in an allies allowed game that is their own choice)

When it comes right down to it. im gonna continue on as is, play solo and ally once in a while. its war, and unless there are rules against it, people can start doing the same.

[tonyy4]

FYI
most of the people on the forums may have never heard or played with you before
most of the people on vortex don't even bother to come to forums so you shouldn't be yelling at the forum people because the people you are after are mostly not active in here
So before you make more useless topics you should consider the facts

[tonyy4]

sorry to you other people who have posted here i didn't have time to read your response to this topic otherwise i would have said more things

[Reznorock]

That is beside the topic of the conversation after my rant, but thanks for the completely useless post.maybe you ought to learn to read more before talking to me about facts. instead of acting like a hot shot and trying to put me down,so either contribute to what is now a discussion or leave please.

FYI ive seen you around. just because people don't remember me doesn't mean a whole lot.