Reviving Vortex Wars.

[techgump]

Lol, that is hardly a true statement. What do you need to PAY for in order to win?
I own dragons, paid for yep, but I prefer the undead.

Quite an uneducated statement imo. It's easy to bitch, but I'd like to see you invest your time and money in developing a game for us all to play and be fair (without us having to pay a dime), as Lopdo has done.

[Lopdo]

You clearly misunderstood what that fair meant. Maybe I didn't put it clearly enough, that happens a lot since English is not my primary language. What I wanted to tell is that it would require significant changes to make it really VW 2, not just VW 1.x that is called VW 2. Is it clearer now?

As for whether it is pay to win or not, that is for you to decide. As you can see, I never mentioned single change that would make you pay more to gain advantage and I don't plan to add anything like that

[rrrttttt]

Yes, now i see that it was a misunderstanding

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Dear sir, thank you so much for calling me uneducated! I thought we discussed this topic several months ago when 1.8 came out. Unfortunately you did not participate then.
What you have to pay is when you run out of boosts and shards, you have to get coins and buy them for coins.
If you don't do that, your opponent will have higher chance to win the game thus making the game unfair.
Also when newbie comes to the game, he has to buy upgrades also for coins because newbies don't have many shards.

[techgump]

I said the statement was uneducated. Big difference between that and calling you uneducated. Many educated people, including myself, have made uneducated statements.

What you have to pay is when you run out of boosts and shards, you have to get coins and buy them for coins.

How about just play more. That is an option too. You can play and get more shards. The more you play, the more you get.
Likewise, using undead, your attack boosts go a lot further, so if you feel like you are running short, buy that race with shards. I have won many games without the extra paid boosts.

Also when newbie comes to the game, he has to buy upgrades also for coins because newbies don't have many shards.

And we have all been there.

I noticed you ignored my comment about bitching. We live in a pretty open society... If you don't like the wheel... reinvent it. No one is likely stopping you.

[rrrttttt]

My bad, never heard of "uneducated statements" before.
You asked me a question:

Lol, that is hardly a true statement. What do you need to PAY for in order to win?

I gave you my answer, the point is, if you are ok with playing unfair games (I am not), you dont have to pay anything.
But if you want to play only fair games, without having to play several unfair games in between in order to get shards, you have to pay.
You don't have to pay in order to win, you have to pay in order to play fair!
Maybe i do not speak clear, by unfair i mean biased, prejudiced, etc.
As for your comment about bitching, if you really want an answer to that, sir, then please let me thank you very much about your precious advice on what should i do with my life, i will surely write it down to my Uber Great Book Of Precious Advices From People Of The Internet, i will also kindly hire seven nigerian dancers to dance in your honor every third day of every third week of every third month of every third year forever and ever

[deathbyants]

I think it would be cool to have achievements in the game.

[BetaGen]

I warn thou techgump, this person is stubborn and defensive.

Some of his statements are left without backing up or don't fit with logic... Yet he still goes on.

without having to play several unfair games in between in order to get shards

Why would it be unfair to get shards from a game? Are you stuck on the idea, that anyone can buy their way into a shortcut?
Just gather shards and eventually you'll have enough to have a "fair" game by your standards. The only thing you can't buy is dragons and that edge is really insignificant. You can call it unfair, it's true theoretically. In practice, shards are what make the game "fair". Only New Players have an "unfair" start. Also you can always make games with no race bonuses, play smaller maps to remove the disadvantage and so on! Don't argue just to prove you're right. Do it for some common conclusions. You have successfully brought the unfairness idea to the community, most of us reflected upon that topic.

[Lopdo]

alright guys, stop bickering, back to topic... those achievements are good idea, they are practically implemented for some time, I just need to put plug them in.

[Ratburntro44]

As long as the boost argument is back up for a bit, I'm going to have a hard time avoiding it.

To techgump:
1. Look at JTE. I'm sure he gets plenty of shards by gaming the system. So the people who cheat get an advantage over other people.
2. A few people (probably only me, actually) HAD paid for stuff in VW. I owned multiple bonus races. In fact, I'm not even kidding about this, I was going to spend $50 on VW the day that the no upgrades disabled update came out. But now, without upgrades disabled, I feel like my money was wasted because I don't want to play with upgrades on my side.
3. I dislike boosts simply because they make the gameplay much worse, not because they allow paying people to get an advantage.

To rrrttttt:
1. Techgump has a point. This is Lopdo's game, he gets to do what he wants.
2. True, you can get boosts with shards if you play more (That fact, however, to me, seems to make the original point of taking out upgrades disabled disappear).
3. What Lopdo said.

To Myself:
1. You don't need to argue against everyone. It just makes you look condescending.

Edit:
To Lopdo:
Sorry, didn't see that post.

[MaryJane]

This is honestly the only site i've ever joined a forum on.;p But, i had a feeling a thread could ALWAYS lead to an argument(gathering this thought from various other threads i've looked at on this site) and yes, it's true.
I made this to discuss how to bring the game back up, not pick it's flaws. "rrrrtttt", the games fair. Are they minor flaws people can pick? sure, everyone rants when mad, including me, but when discussing how to help the game, don't come complaining about how it's unfair to you. Techgump made some good points, and so did you, but i see no help from either in the actual discussion. (sorry tech, just saying.;p) Anywho, the achievements are another great idea, anything added on would keep the people staying/joining.
And as Techgump said, (i didn't want to be the first one too), the idea of restarting sure would suck, but the game itself is great. Thank you Lopdo, and hope this thread helps generate more ideas.