Double Throwback (Two-man team tournament)

[BeatlesFan]

Gollum is here who want to fight

Great. We have 3 of 4 in lobby: Autumnwolf17 where are you?

[mattie]

So the givins are a bunch of cheaters.

I also think he just closed his browser to escape a defeat

[Bluethorn]

For those who are partaking in this tourney and should play against the Givin's:

I advise you not to accept their plea of if Biz disconnects to accept a redo as Jeremiah and I so kindly did, despite what point in a match someone had disconnected (ALL SITUATIONS OF A DC RESULT IN A REDO, no exceptions, as per what Givin, Jeremiah, and I agreed upon). We were doing well in the second match (of 3, after winning the first), when Biz DC'ed (he would've been dead in the next two turns, likely due to Jeremiah being able to cut him on his next turn and Himelik being kept busy with myself - and losing an 8v8 against Jeremiah); well before he actually DC'ed, Himelik has told us he did (suspicious). Now, knowing full well they're in the same room, it's likely he closed the browser because they were going to end up losing overall and wanted to redo the match (which we did, and then Weed and I lost). Now, the next match (3rd match), I DC'ed due to the storms in my area blinking out the power (and therefore losing internet connection). I had a few lands yet, but was not dead.

Now, after all of this, Himelik has refused to give us the redo that we so graciously afforded him and his brother.


We are currently hashing it out in the lobby, because Himelik is now reneging on the deal. He refuses to have the redo, despite when setting up the deal, specifically saying, "What happens if you guys are winning and Biz has 3 lands left and DCs?" We agreed to have a redo, because we all know how frustrating DC's are to begin with. He brought that situation up and also brought Gotcha into it, which I'd assume he is sour about (I know he is) and is now holding this deal hostage over. He refuses to acknowledge he even brought it up, when both of us know what he said.


Go ahead, ban me from your future tournaments, but I'd rather play in a tournament with honesty than one where simply because you're sour and afraid of losing that you're going to renege on a set of rules set forth beforehand.

Although I haven't heard their side of the story yet, I was spectating the game and it was very very likely that it was an intended DC on the Givens' part. From a spectator's POV, this is highly childish of you Himelik/Bizness. Although I have no rights and shouldn't have for that matter to elaborate on this matter, it is your decision after all but do realize that by pulling off a cheap trick like this will cost you a lot of creditibility, just pointing that out.

And mattie, theoretically they did not cheat, it's Himelik's tourney and therefore he makes the decisions. It's a question of morality and the sensibility of a good game and the Givens' seem to have lost in that regard.

Again this is all my personal opinion from where I'm standing.

[Happiness]

I haven't heard the Given's share of the scoop but for now I would have to fully agree with Bluethorn

[Autumnwolf17]

Well, first I'd like to point out that the same thing in Fang's tournament (though only withBiz) and I'm fairly certain I can remember it from another time. But it really doesn't matter that much in my opinion, there are some times when a DC should result in a rematch and some times when it shouldn't. For example:

-If a player has a problem at the start of the match and can't place at all
-If a player DCs in the first few turns, before they can touch another player
-If the teams are relatively even in a mid game situation and one player DCs out
-If the server itself is lagging and multiple players have had trouble playing, then a DC happens

-And, if a player is in a position where the game is inarguably won, I would consider it the right thing to do to count it as a win. (Example: one player controls 90% of the board in the endgame and has a ton of eights, the game couldn't have been won by the other team)

However, if the DC barely makes a difference, is done after trying the game deciding rolls, or has happened multiple times, then I wouldn't count it. Really, anything outside of the obvious situations is up to the other team to decide what's fair. At this point, if it were me, I'd say you should count out both of the DC matches.

[Guest77]

The point is that Himelik made it known that regardless of a situation of the DC, we'd restart. He specifically asked using the situation with if it was he and Biz left with 3 lands each and one of us was winning if we'd afford them a restart, and we graciously agreed to. Despite the situation, he, himself, reneged on the deal made prior to any of the matches. It's not the point of the match that the DC happens that is at the center of this problem. It's him lying and trying to say that he never made such a deal, when it's clear that he had.

Yes, I had a few lands left when it showed me disconnecting (3-4, I think, as per Jeremiah telling me so). However, I lost connection when I still saw that I had an 8 bordering Himelik (with ~8 lands, if I remember correctly). That's when my power flickered. From that point, had he been unlucky, the game could have turned around. However, apparently, he won both 8v8's (the last thing I saw was him winning an 8v8 of the two (2) 8's I had bordering him, and again, as per Jeremiah telling me so about the other due to my lapse in internet connection).

There was no warning for my disconnection. I couldn't even tell Jeremiah, because I was without a way to do so. Himelik and his brother play, assumedly, in the same room, so if one DC's, they can immediately tell the other and inform all players. I had no such situation and therefore when I disconnected, had I told Jeremiah at that precise moment, the game still could have gone EITHER way, as Jeremiah had TWO (2) 8's bordering Biz's SINGLE 7 (Biz's only other land being a 1, and Jeremiah having ~12-13 lands, and Himelik had ~12-13 himself).

Alas, I didn't think I forgot to mention this in my other post, but I also proposed we extended our match to best out of five (5) matches, due to our DC, if they wished to count their win and still have it be 2-1, them. However, he stubbornly refused, and then continued to do so despite our repeated attempts to remind him of his deal, to which he denied making. He then brought up the whole Gotcha game for who knows what reason, other than him still being sour I won due to his technicality mishap. He then proceeded to leave for no reason other than to avoid the rest of the confrontation without any resolution.

I employe you all to refuse any deals either of the Givin's try to make from this point forward. They are not trustworthy in my opinion and should not be treated as such.

[BeatlesFan]

3 of 4 ready in lobby again: Autumnwolf17 where are you?

[gollum01]

whos afraid of the big bad wolf

[Autumnwolf17]

I was in for like two hours earlier... granted, I was in a few long games for most of that time, but I was still on. The moment I leave my house, the rest of you get there.

Well, I'll be back home in about thirty minutes. Sorry...

[Autumnwolf17]

Wolf is here, and no one else is.