Vortex Warriors Clan (Inactive Clan)

[royalblue]

If my opinion would be helpful at all...

On Infected: BeatlesFan has stated he doesn't want to try to implement a single-clan policy, and I agree with that: most if not all multi-clan members will leave. After all, pretty much every single multi-clan player is in VWC, coming in from a good history with another clan. It would only be our loss. The only reason Infected has become a special case is because he changed his mind, and I figure that would turn out to be the case for pretty much every member we have in two clans if they were called to represent their first clan.

On the Game: I can see the frustration, but if there were three Soldiers, three Wolves and me but Infected was one of those Wolves, I would feel slightly off-put that he was choosing to leave me to myself when the Wolves had enough (more so if Ryan would then kick a Soldier).

On Ryan: This is somewhat less relevant to VWC, but leads into my next point. If we pretended that Infected was only VWC, a 3v3v1 is understandable as host since the other clans can't get on, though it would be more fair to try to make it a 2v2v1. But more to the point, when you end up with a 3v2v2v1, kick one of your own members. You don't support another clan just bringing in three, you tell them to kick one member. It just doesn't make sense, especially when you're up twelve against a universal one or zero!

On CCW: I get that it's pretty much the only all-clan tournament available, but even to temporarily forget the Soldier's luck, the system itself is essentially rigged. The Soldiers only need one more member for a team, and they have two or three members who are on pretty much all day starting at the time of CCW. We're playing the same lucky team of two, and on top of that, Ryan has been taking every chance to have an extra person. I'm not saying it's time to quit, but maybe we should take this one a bit less seriously and focus on LCS and clan wars. It'll be more fun for all of us.

On Color: I've decided that since I've been trying to take a more formal role in clans, especially this one, that it's inappropriate to keep posting in blue. I plan to keep the blue to the more informal side of the forums and less important things. And I won't be doing what I just did either. It's just a weird need for color association, like very mild synesthesia that I was holding back with the blue text.

~Royalblue

[BeatlesFan]

If Infected stays in, I'm out.

I would prefer that you stay in, but I am not willing to change the structure of this clan. Please help me to understand because it seems I am missing something.

If I understand your concern correctly: Infected (who is in both VWC and WP) chose to fight with WP on a map against VWC. Did he do something else that I am missing?

For the sake of 1 time with one member, I am unwilling to risk destroying the clan structure and probably losing all of the multi-clan members.

Please help me if I am missing your point.

[Ballsack]

If Infected stays in, I'm out.

Im also seeing this point of view, if infected stays im out also.

[manny158]

If Infected stays in, I'm out.

I would prefer that you stay in, but I am not willing to change the structure of this clan. Please help me to understand because it seems I am missing something.

If I understand your concern correctly: Infected (who is in both VWC and WP) chose to fight with WP on a map against VWC. Did he do something else that I am missing?

For the sake of 1 time with one member, I am unwilling to risk destroying the clan structure and probably losing all of the multi-clan members.

Please help me if I am missing your point.

I believe what OMG_MaGmA and Ballsack are complaining about is how Infected originally stated that he was supporting VWC in the clan match and then right before the match started he switched to WP which upset OMG_MaGmA and Ballsack since they lost a player who switched last second.

[BeatlesFan]

SENATE VOTE PROPOSAL on removing a member:

I propose that Infected be removed from VWC.

All Senators have 7 days to vote starting now.

A majority of all voting Senators is required for removal.

Only Senators may vote, and it must be public on this clan thread.

[Ballsack]

I vote yes to the removal of Infected.

[BeatlesFan]

I am sharing a PM here that I just sent to Infected:

I have proposed a vote for your removal from VWC. I do not yet know if I will vote to remove you or to keep you.

At the moment, several clan members have felt betrayed by your actions, and it seems they have a good reason to feel betrayed.

I am asking that you either resign voluntarily from the clan or make your case why you should stay: Either because they are incorrect or some of the facts need to be aired by you.

I do not like the idea of removing you if all that you did was to fight for WP instead of VWC, and if that is all that you did I will most likely vote to keep you in the clan - but that is not why I proposed the vote. I proposed the vote because credible members of the clan believe that you betrayed them, and if you did I must also join them in voting to remove you.

So, I am asking you to either resign voluntarily or give me the facts that counter the charge of betrayal.

I have not yet decided my vote.

Final note: I am also going to post this PM publicly on the clan thread.

[Guest77]

I abstain.

[Autumnwolf17]

It's midnight right now, I was reading it casually and it took a bit longer than usual for me to remember that Infected is in both clans. Yeah, I know that I was there for most of it and it should probably be to the front of my mind/obvious based on context, but I was about two lines into questioning why you were voting to kick him out of the Wolves before the realization caught up with me.

If I can offer any help, I was Cotton(ing?) in the spectator box of the game, and while I didn't see the pregame or the first little bit of the game, it seemed to be exactly what they described, at least outwardly. I don't think it's quite the level of emotion that they're saying though. In other words, he played for the Wolves instead of VWC, but I figure it was more with the intent of helping out the Wolves rather than betraying VWC.

[BeatlesFan]

It's midnight right now, I was reading it casually and it took a bit longer than usual for me to remember that Infected is in both clans. Yeah, I know that I was there for most of it and it should probably be to the front of my mind/obvious based on context, but I was about two lines into questioning why you were voting to kick him out of the Wolves before the realization caught up with me.

If I can offer any help, I was Cotton(ing?) in the spectator box of the game, and while I didn't see the pregame or the first little bit of the game, it seemed to be exactly what they described, at least outwardly. I don't think it's quite the level of emotion that they're saying though. In other words, he played for the Wolves instead of VWC, but I figure it was more with the intent of helping out the Wolves rather than betraying VWC.

Thanks for the viewpoint. I am still not certain how this turns out, including how I will vote. If it comes down to merely he played a map for WP, I have no issue with it. That is not what the claim is though. I am being told that he agreed/led everyone to believe he was playing this one for VWC, players lined up with that prep in mind, and somewhere just before it started or as it began changed up and declared for WP. If this is what happened, I can see why they felt betrayed. Not cool if that is what happened.

I am hoping someone can shed some more light on this. I won't change the clan structure as some want, but if one player is causing such a distraction, then.....well, I would like more information. I will in the end not abstain. I will cast a solid vote one way or the other before the deadline.