Vortex Wars Council

[Codename Sea]

If you know who we are, then why should that make a difference to you, but I have my doubts you know who any of us truly are. As I and FM agreed yesterday, our speech patterns are useless. We're more often than not typing quite differently than we do normally.

The other thing is that if you use that as your logic, then why should those who are in multiple clans elsewhere be allowed to use their position as leader to vote as well as influence a second clan?

[Ryankill]

i am certain on 2 of you members and and pretty sure of a few more, but like you said, i dont know truly know who some of you are, and the people in two clans can only influence, so how do we know the new leader of oos is not a current leader of another clan?

[Codename Sea]

What makes you think he is?

[Vortex_Master]

Should leaders incline themselves to vote no towards the OOS, I would think they should publicly state why. A disapproving vote should always have a reason.

ms votes no on oos
the reason being, i have found out a few of the oos members are and the ones i know of are in clans, so why should people get their opions voted on twice?

VWC is also made up of many people who are already members of another clan. Why should they get their opinions voted on twice? I know, I know, they at least have members who are not in another clan, however, in the OOS, these people are not themselves as they are in other clans. They have no reputation to hold, no reason to act the same, and many reasons to act differently. They are not looking out for their old clan (usually), they are looking out for their new clan under their new identity. They are being something they can't be in another clan. Also, with their diversity, they are not going to vote like one clan every time. They will have different opinions. The OOS has right as a clan, just as any other does.

EDIT: I have always vouched for the OOS, and I will continue to until I find that they are no longer worthy. If unknown leads another clan (as he has once before in a previous form), then we must trust that he does what is best for the clan he is speaking for, and for this community which he and the OOS belong to. I am willing to place my trust in this clan.

[BeatlesFan]

I am biased here. I was in OOS, and publicly admitted my presence there when I left the game last year. As a Multi-Clan leader I would always and only vote for the interests of my clan. I have several from Wolfpack, but if they were voting the opposite, I am compelled to vote in favor of what benefits my clan.

I see no conflict - almost all clans today have multi-clan members (most are in VWC!).

I will submit this for a VWC Senate vote. I am voting YES or NO depending on what my clan wants me to do.

[Autumnwolf17]

WolfPack votes no with just my vote so far. The vote can still be swayed by anyone in the Hunting Party who has a good argument for yes.

Reason: As far as I am aware, the OOS is largely if not all WC. This has been the case for almost all of their history, and I doubt they're going to give away their identities to prove us wrong. In the case that it is still true for them, it would essentially be like letting the WolfWatch have a position on the council... they have enough influence over our vote anyway.

Now, I do understand that there have been non-WC members in the past, but most of them have been trying to spy on your clan in one form or another, which isn't exactly the best thing for your vote either. There is already some talk about further balancing out the vote to represent the opinions of the forums on a more weighted scale, so since WC is already as inactive as it is now (no offense, of course), it wouldn't exactly make sense to give them another vote on top of that.

VWC is a debatable case, but I think that they have enough non-clan who's opinions are definitely quite valuable (BF, FM, Royal...) that they should have their own vote.

[Codename Sea]

Such a silly reason, especially since nearly all of Warrior's Creed is currently inactive, at best. To be fair, our past has been mainly WC members; however, with their inactivity as of the past few months, what makes you think that any of our current members are from WC?

For all you know, we could all be clanless outside of OOS.

Regardless of you thinking that WC would receive two votes on the council, that completely contradicts the point of giving this clan a position. The goal of using a vote from this clan would be to benefit us, not WC. Seeing as the two clans have differing opinions on quite a bit at present, it's safe to say that your argument is, simply put, invalid.

[Sabre]

The Plaza has been updated.
I may have missed something, in case I did please bring it to my attention, thank you.

Election for new Council Benchman taking place!

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Info: Each clan may vote for ONE user, no matter whom, to take this position, the user with the highest accumulated votes will be inaugurated. Please note, the user MUST accept the position.

No current votes.

Remove Thirsty Warfare from the Council.

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Info:Thirsty Warfare is, or at least seems to be inactive, thus the vote on to remove them.

Yes- 4 No- 0

Accept the O.O.S. as a Council Member

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Info:The O.O.S. claim to have returned, should they be reinstated?

Yes- 1 No- 3

[GivinUDaHimelik]

KM vote for Jonsteederi.

[BeatlesFan]

VWC will also vote for Jonsteederi for Benchman.