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How are your dragons working?

Poll ended at Tue Jul 09, 2013 2:18 am

My dragons rule in all modes/work just fine
6
26%
I see a difference in how they work in HC v ATT
4
17%
5% is not really much - they work the same as any race
6
26%
Dragons are glitched!
7
30%
 
Total votes : 23

Re: Dragon Users Forum

Postby calleharnemark » Mon Jul 29, 2013 8:52 pm

Ratburntro44 wrote:
calleharnemark wrote:That is my point. Statistics and odds tell nothing about what actually happens. It only tells how big the chances are and what the possibilities are. In real life statistics doesn't matter and you usually doesn't even know them when you take a risk.

And my point is that when you have a very large sample of data that is nowhere near fitting the statistics, chances are that something is wrong, not just that it is weird chance.

I agree. But that is the fun thing with risks. But if you want to collect data sure... If we go back on topip: is this a large sample of data enough to tell if dragons are bugged?
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Re: Dragon Users Forum

Postby Ratburntro44 » Mon Jul 29, 2013 8:53 pm

calleharnemark wrote:
Ratburntro44 wrote:
calleharnemark wrote:That is my point. Statistics and odds tell nothing about what actually happens. It only tells how big the chances are and what the possibilities are. In real life statistics doesn't matter and you usually doesn't even know them when you take a risk.

And my point is that when you have a very large sample of data that is nowhere near fitting the statistics, chances are that something is wrong, not just that it is weird chance.

I agree. But that is the fun thing with risks. But if you want to collect data sure... If we go back on topip: is this a large sample of data enough to tell if dragons are bugged?

I don't know- I myself do not normally experience this, but if it is common, there very well may be a problem. I'm going to start collecting my rolls on dragons- I will not screenshot them, I believe I can be trusted on this.
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Re: Dragon Users Forum

Postby Guest77 » Mon Jul 29, 2013 8:54 pm

Technically, let's say that the dragons are being used against a neutral race. So they have the 5% attack bonus vs. a regular defense bonus and a 5% defense bonus vs. a regular attack bonus.

This means that they should win both attacks and defends more often than not. I'll try to keep an 8v8 tally of how many I win/lose and against what other bonuses. I'll see what I come up with percentage wise.
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Re: Dragon Users Forum

Postby calleharnemark » Mon Jul 29, 2013 8:57 pm

Guest77 wrote:Technically, let's say that the dragons are being used against a neutral race. So they have the 5% attack bonus vs. a regular defense bonus and a 5% defense bonus vs. a regular attack bonus.

This means that they should win both attacks and defends more often than not. I'll try to keep an 8v8 tally of how many I win/lose and against what other bonuses. I'll see what I come up with percentage wise.

Actually I thinnk it means they should win at least one out of 20 rolls. Not necessarily more...
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Re: Dragon Users Forum

Postby Ratburntro44 » Mon Jul 29, 2013 8:58 pm

In 8v8 against neutral race, dragons have 52.6% attacking and 58.7% defending.
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Re: Dragon Users Forum

Postby calleharnemark » Mon Jul 29, 2013 9:00 pm

Ratburntro44 wrote:In 8v8 against neutral race, dragons have 52.6% attacking and 58.7% defending.

Wait, that sounds like a lot... those odds seems too good to me to get so many complaints.
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Re: Dragon Users Forum

Postby Ratburntro44 » Mon Jul 29, 2013 9:02 pm

Other Att Chances for Dragons against neutral:
7v7: 52.4%
6v6: 51.2%
5v5: 48.1%
4v4: 45.9%
3v3: 45.3%
2v2: 44.4%

Def:
7v7: 58.7%
6v6: 57.1%
5v5: 54.9%
4v4: 54.1%
3v3: 54.8%
2v2: 55.8%

My stats are from simulations, not actual calculations, so they aren't exact.
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Re: Dragon Users Forum

Postby calleharnemark » Mon Jul 29, 2013 9:08 pm

Ratburntro44 wrote:Other Att Chances for Dragons against neutral:
7v7: 52.4%
6v6: 51.2%
5v5: 48.1%
4v4: 45.9%
3v3: 45.3%
2v2: 44.4%

Def:
7v7: 58.7%
6v6: 57.1%
5v5: 54.9%
4v4: 54.1%
3v3: 54.8%
2v2: 55.8%

My stats are from simulations, not actual calculations, so they aren't exact.

Lol, People complain with these odds cause they think they lose too much?
Could you check them with boosts?
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Re: Dragon Users Forum

Postby Ratburntro44 » Mon Jul 29, 2013 9:09 pm

calleharnemark wrote:
Ratburntro44 wrote:Other Att Chances for Dragons against neutral:
7v7: 52.4%
6v6: 51.2%
5v5: 48.1%
4v4: 45.9%
3v3: 45.3%
2v2: 44.4%

Def:
7v7: 58.7%
6v6: 57.1%
5v5: 54.9%
4v4: 54.1%
3v3: 54.8%
2v2: 55.8%

My stats are from simulations, not actual calculations, so they aren't exact.

Lol, People complain with these odds cause they think they lose too much?
Could you check them with boosts?

http://samrush.net/apps/dice/dice.php

The reason people complain is because they believe that the odds aren't actually working out like that.
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Re: Dragon Users Forum

Postby Guest77 » Mon Jul 29, 2013 9:17 pm

So far I've won 1/4 8v8's :D recording all of them as I go. :)
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