This is regarding 484Insomnia484, Ex. Mod.

[Insomnia]

In all due respect and fairness, I am not insulting you, the way you run your game, or even anybody else, telling you straight up how I feel.---To explain, I gave this certain person a verbal warning, before anything ever happened, and told him what would happen if he choose to disregard my former warning and another players game play based, specifically on his game setup, harassment was also a very concerned issue here as well. It was clearly stated before the game was every started what he wanted, a simple request, of no allies. So in return he came back and tried to make alliances, the rules were stated way beforehand, and he knew that. So doing my job, I took action. So he in return he talks to another fellow mod and Lopdo. Again, everything was given to him, before I initiated the ban.--- I would like to know what and how I lost my mod status. So because I was enforcing what I was doing is wrong? If the people knew the rules then I shouldn't have to to warn/ban them. So tell me what am I doing wrong? I was following the setup of rules, brought forth by you, yourself Lopdo. Well, as you know I'm a honest direct man, and you should of shot me a pm or something before you revoked my admin abilities. I have a right as a person to know what I have done wrong. Lopdo, you wanted mods to help keep the flow and calmness throughout the game and to handle the business you don't want to. Was I not doing what I was given the right based on the rules and guild lines set forth upon by the creator of this game? You revoke my privileges based on complaints given by people who could of just followed the rules. Corruption, is never a good thing, despite as others see it. It's in this world never matter what you make of it. You take out the people that are doing their best, and replace them with people that are never there... In my eyes that is never a good deal. It's not my game to make rules or anything upon as I see it. I'm not here to point out anyone, I do respect that and your decision. Hell even a little notice would be greatly appreciated. Not saying I don't have any for you, I do. All I wanted was a frontal conversation, I saw that it was very disrespectful, not to give even a heads up notice of my current position. I'm telling you directly how I feel. If you didn't want any mods enforcing and doing their jobs, then why have then? Shown no evidence, proof, no nothing by what some "guy" how is mad at me. You had your doubts, fine, you initiated what you set your eyes upon, fine. If you really think about it, you have nothing but what one person says, I thought we were suppose to present evidence first? All these points I am currently stating upon all lead to corruption, my friend. You can most certainly correct me if I'm wrong. If you want to run things based upon set rules and guild lines, we all have to follow them. Karen, Gamerzx, you see what I see, but yet you do nothing about it. With all do respect Lopdo, we need to talk.

Respectfully,

484Insomnia484

[Ratburntro44]

I support you. I see no good reason for your mod powers being taken away.

[Insomnia]

Thank you Ratburn, I appreciate that.

[furqi]

I agree with 484Insomnia, a pm should have at least been sent.

[Swordalchemist]

Could you explain the situation a bit more? I'm not sure I understand what happened. The information you have posted here sounds good in theory (I skimmed it admittedly), but to formulated an informed opinion... I think we all need to hear what actually happened.

[highlander]

to lopdo and others of the forum who don't visit the game often , its hell out here on game , as ratburnts044 term the younglings are taking over , theres more abuse and threats , and the mods are only human who do have breaking points like us all. but as witness to that said game 484 gave more than one warning but still two players teased and provoked a reaction.i would like 484 re-moded and other more concerned players appointted as mods , not me due to my lack of anger management. i think this game is brillaint but a few are killing it and its got to stop , justice will not be served here by demoting 484 , just small minded petty get back attitude

[Swordalchemist]

Insulting Lopdo is not going to help his case though. This situation is probably best dealt with by private message, and then if the issue is ignored... it should be brought into the public eye. In my experience, Lopdo has always addressed each situation with reason and a clear mind... so there is no reason to think that this incident will be different.

Lopdo was kind enough to put a mute button in place... so the threats and insults that are purportedly growing... really mean nothing. If you wish to avoid them... you may simply ignore them.

[hatchu]

Firstly, I did not witness this game.
However, I do hope that there was evidence to support the de-modding of 484. Where is it?
It should be for public consumption (aka the vortex wars community) and posted here. I am not saying that 484 is innocent.... how can I without seeing any facts?
I can say with great purpose though, that I have never witnessed or heard of or even seen any evidence to bring his reputation into disrepute. I hold 484 in the highest regard, like highlander, techgump and mipster. In fact, it is the opposite... they have proven themselves on numerous occasions to uphold the "laws" and fair play to the best of their abilities, or anyones abilities.

Some peeps may read this and think mods are just sticking together, but I have made no judgements based on conjecture. I am open to the facts and evidence once presented.

There does seem to be an injection of troublemakers who see mods or peeps who have high levels or simply own the dragon race as targets. There is a topic, created by clan ghost bear, that highlights this. The topic is taken in jest and good humour, which (I hope) is intended. There is a dark side where clans are being formed which simply ruin the game. If this continues then a lot of the good peeps (who are the majority) will simply leave and this will herald the end of vortex wars as we know it. In addition, some of these players think that getting rid of mods means there will be places available for them to fill. A dangerous path to walk and one which will benefit no-one.

There, I have said my piece. One last thing before I go, players get warnings and multiple chances when they do something wrong. That is backed up with evidence. Shouldn't we hold mods in the same regard? I am not saying mods should get unlimited chances but a warning should be the minimum (unless there is gross misconduct backed up with evidence). Getting rid of mods without evidence is ludicrous.

[CrystalLuna]

I see how the situation may have escalated. Perhaps hasty action was taken on both parts prematurely without all the facts. Indeed, this is something best dealt with privately between Lopdo and 484 to come to an understanding or agreement as to the nature of the issue and the best solution for all. I agree too, that there are a few various players on game (and in matches that I've been in too) who need to be dealt with somehow and informed firmly to show that inappropriate behavior will not be tolerated on game if they will not stand down after being told not to continue with such bad and offending behavior. Though sometimes we all end up falling to extremes and letting our emotions get away from us sometimes (I'm no exception to this either), still, some sort of limit needs to be imposed on any various player who had decided not to conform to rules of respectful play. It must be decided however, the level of infraction that has occurred, in light of the current match dynamics, and if the reaction was just an accidental flare up due to surprise or shock or personal attack/defense, or is evidence of a more underlying (and deliberate?) behavioral problem in the offending player. I would be one to try to discuss it with the offending player first, privately if need be, then if that fails, then kick them from the match only. and if they continue without concern for others in successive matches after being repeatedly warned, then take it under advisement with fellow Mods or the GM about a ban. There may be a few dire situations where an immediate ban might be necessary however to restrict repeat offenders. Perhaps this was one of those situations. I do not know. Only 484 knows this, and those who were present with him. I agree with highlander that things are getting out of control in some cases with some people. Those of us who do play regularly can see this. We just might not say anything because we try to get along and overlook the transgressions, at our expense. If transgressions begin to consistently affect multiple people negatively with respect to game play, then for the sake of smooth flowing and peace of the game, I agree that some sort of action should be taken in light of the rules of play. As to what that action should be depends on the situation, but to some players, sometimes the only thing that will get them to stop their offending behavior is action taken against them. The majority of players have no problem and the game goes along nicely, but for those who cant control themselves or choose not to, they need to be dealt with somehow for the sake of others. I'm not advocating banning every person for every infraction. Indeed I'd rather talk it out. But if all else fails, what is the last resort?

Again,I do not know the specifics of this current situation, and as such I speak generally. But just seems to me that there was a misunderstanding that arose perhaps. All I'm saying is to try to work out problems in game if possible and take stronger action when necessary, which when after reviewed and considered for appropriateness (the penalty must fit the crime), should be allowed the moderators as long as they use in good judgment. For this, I suggest that this situation should be reviewed in more detail between Lopdo and 484 to determine what really truly happened as they need to talk privately about this, and what action need have been taken. Lopdo, please rereview the case, if you will, and reconsider 484 as moderator, at your discretion of course. Perhaps things just got out of hand was all, for a moment. It happens, sometimes. Thank you also, Lopdo, for all that you do and for an amazing game and the hard work that you put in. Thank you for considering fairly all situations that are brought to your attention regarding the game. I know you will make the choice that you feel is best for everyone.

As a final general note to everyone reading this, and if you all get nothing from this but this... I might just say.... in the future, taking Screen Shots of disagreements or situations that occur in game can go far to show what really happened, to be used for review of action that was taken or that needs to be taken. In future, all who have trouble with a player, use screenshots to show your case. And let's all try to be cool on game and try to keep our emotions in check and not be a show-off if any of us are that type at all. Let's all be courteous, kind and respectful to each other, and deal with offending behavior as appropriate, under the terms of the game rules, even if it means just muting another player or leaving the match ourself before we flare up if we feel we are at risk for doing so.

Cordially,
Crystal Luna

[Swordalchemist]

Well.... while I agree with most of what Hatchu had to say, I must dispute on point. He argued for warning for moderators also... or something to that extent. I would say that moderators should be held to a much higher standard that normal members. They are representing Lopdo, and in turn... Vortex Wars as a whole.

I feel that this entire matter is up to Lopdo's discretion... and since no facts have been posted here, this entire topic is simply being speculated upon. Until facts are presented, and Lopdo's take is also shown...this thread is only a breeding ground for emotion and anger.