Odds? Cheats?

[Joriom]

So, I know that VW is based on luck. But after loads of rolls everything is down to statistics.

Arachnids (me) vs. Vampires (Gollum)
Around 100 8v8 attacks. I won maybe 4? My enemy won around half of his 6->8 and 7->8 attacks and most of his 8->8.
I don't remember exact % but lets say I have 57% to loose attack. Lets do some math.
0,0023% chance to loose 20 attacks in a row. I did loose it. TWO HUNDREDTHS of a percent. That is IMPOSSIBLE. Something must be really wrong with this system.

[Robomajor]

Once again, I believe that you are over dramatizing things. And even if this did happen like you said, everyone has their bad games. The statistics I want you to show me are the good games/bad games ratio. I would also like to play a few games with you to see if your luck is really as bad as you say.

[Joriom]

In most games its fine. But for example in last one, that drove me crazy, I could win normally vs any player except for this one. After it was only two of us left I had to use two 8s to beat his one 8 (cause of attrition only). I've managed to cut him few times (att again) and place four full 8s inside of him. Every time he used his 6-8s to defeat ALL my troops (6v8!) and close the cutting by driving me totally out of his territory - but - in such cases he NEVER lost a single roll! I make cut - he instant wins all fight. And I mean it. It was 45 regions vs 35-40 (+vamps on his side) so he had less units and I could hot push any further for half a hour. Even more. He pushed ME out. I've played loads of games before, some took even few hours in "full 8s" stage, some with pumpkins vs vamps. I've never experienced SUCH a terrible difference in win ratio. Trust me.

[candybomberz]

0,0023% chance multiplied by your conquer (or loss) my actual is 10.202 * 0,0023% = 23%, so its actualy very proable to have a lucky streak or losing streak and everyone has it sometimes, btw. I won 3v8 in one game 3 times in a row and turned around a game this way, and one time I beated to win with 16 regions a guy who had 51 regions when the other guy left and I had to 1v1 this guy

It's like with quantum physics something might be proable or something might not, but if you try it thousands or millions of times it will happen somewhen

but I even though see a possibilty of a good hacker hacking this system and increasing his chance of winning, but I gues not many of those persons who are good hackers have nothing better to do then this game I gues not even Lopdo could hack his own game, without changing hiw own source code to make some cheats available

[Joriom]

0,0023% chance multiplied by your conquer (or loss) my actual is 10.202 * 0,0023% = 23%, so its actualy very proable to have a lucky streak or losing streak and everyone has it sometimes, btw. I won 3v8 in one game 3 times in a row and turned around a game this way, and one time I beated to win with 16 regions a guy who had 51 regions when the other guy left and I had to 1v1 this guy

I've got over 20,000 conquered regions which makes it 46%. Although you should remember that most of those were enemies 1's, etc. Real possibility that I've had such encounter of 20 looses would be around 5%? Or even less. But if you read my first post I've stated loosing a lot more than that. I might have exaggerated a bit but I'm sure it was at least 30 turns with at least 2-3 8v8 fights and I've literally won 4-5 of them. 30 * 2,5 = 75. 75/5 = 15. Its similar to 20 looses in a row two times in one game.

It's like with quantum physics something might be proable or something might not, but if you try it thousands or millions of times it will happen somewhen

I know the theory where it is possible but unlikely for all molecules under my chair instantly change their direction upward thus making me levitate for some time but... I don't rally believe in such things. Do you?

[candybomberz]

how would you otherwise explain the phenomenon Chuck Norris or 42 if not with quantum physics? back to topic

but the fact that you won 5 times makes be believe it was no kind of hack, it also was not bad luck (it's to heavy for that), but the random number generators are not always working quite well (or let's say it like this, to properly be able to use statistical math it might be needed to let the random number generator generate 100th or 1000th numbers in a row to have a quite even distribution of numbers), sometimes things happen you consider being impossible, not only here, in every game, you kill somebody (or even 2-3 persons) with many crit spells/attacks, you find 5 times in a row the same items in the loot of the same boss, or you even get the same random result delivered by the server in a intervall of 5 day in a period of 4-5 weeks, you miss your enemy nearly each hit and make no damage that way, sometimes the generator generates from the numbers of 1 to 10, 3 times in a row 3 of 10 numbers with the value 3

maybe the conditions for most of the roll where by pure coincidence (or maybe by lag) each time the same

whats interesting to answer this question is, are the random numbers are delivered by a Server or by the actually OS of the player/host ? in second case it might be realy probable that your opponent used a kinda hack

and another question Jorim, did you noticed any region of numbers occuring very often eg. the number of 30-40 ? or where the results won with pure coincidental numbers ?

[BelgarionRiva]

It's like with quantum physics something might be proable or something might not, but if you try it thousands or millions of times it will happen somewhen

Quantum physics is the mathematical description of the wave-particle duality of matter. If you wish to know more, read about the achievements of Max Planck and all scientists that followed. (Einstein, Heisenberg, Broglie, Schrödinger, Bohr, Feynman, Jordan, Pauli, Sommerfeld, Wien, Wigner) You can actually find a collection of 150 PDFs' on Feynman's university lectures about the subject matter. It is fascinating, in my opinion.

I think you are specifically referring to the uncertainty principle postulated by Heisenberg, but you're saying it wrong. The principle states that the the more precisely the POSITION is determined, the less precisely the MOMENTUM is known. In simpler vectorial terms, if you can determine the position of a subatomic particle with precision, you cannot determine how fast it is going, and vice versa. It does not mean that we are unable to calculate it. We are able to calculate this at a very precise scale. It simply means that shooting an electron with the same initial conditions twice will not make it go in the same direction at the same velocity both times.

If you wish to know why this happens, it is because of a lack of a frame of reference. The only frame you have when calculating the velocity of an electron is the atom itself. Since the radius of the atom (H-atom) is over a thousand times bigger than the possible velocity of the electron, there is absolutely no way of knowing where the electron is positioned. Delving deeper into the theory, other things happen that no one wishes to hear, but I thought I would throw this in and stop all this ignorance about quantum mechanics.

That being said, quantum mechanics has absolutely nothing to do with mathematical probability nor with event possibility. (Thus nothing to do with odds, cheats, nor with this thread.)

[susunia]

How does Quantum physics breaks the delusion of racial superiority? Quantum physics shows we are all One Being that perpetuates an illusion of separate individual beings. Since Quantum physics is the future of mankind, how will the future generation remember the racists of today ?
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[techgump]

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[egavaS]

I love how this topic has nothing to do with quantum physics but that's all anyone is posting about now.